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From: africanclassicalhistory@yahoogroups.co.uk, On behalf of saidis_aswan_egy Fari, I hope you don't mind me reposting your material. But I found that references you posted on xxxxxx about the Harb tribe of Arabia. This is some quotes from Fari about the early Arabs that is his research and not mine. I would like to thank Fari for taking the time to uncover jewels like the following:
_________________________________________ Here we have to be careful. What period Syrian and Arabian skulls are these because the populations there were not constant. Anywhere you can go and find indigenous dark-skinned minorities means that at some point that dark-skinned minority was the majority - why else would you have two defferently-coloured populations living side by side? Compare this quote by Doughty, Travels in Arabia Deserta, vol.1 1888 : "These are Harb settlers of the full blood, in those many hot oases betwixt the Harameyn, which are blackish as Africans; but they have pure lineaments of Arabs." p. 140 The Harameyn is in Arabia. Or compare this statement by Major-General Maitland,
The Political Resident in Aden in 1930 : While Dr M.A Nayeem (1990) of the King Saud University says: "...in south Arabia... there have long been populations of negroid appearance which cannot be explained away as a result of the Slave Trade." Then when you look at wall paintings from Syria such as those from Dura (1st millenium early AD) and those from Mari from the early 2nd millenium BC we see some people, to paraphrase Doughty, `as blackish as Africans`alongside the `common idea of the middle easterner` type. So the question is `if a skull from upper Egypt resembled skulls from Arabia and Syria then which population did they resemble / the `blackish` one or the `common idea` one? Things are never as simple as they seem. The Goredema
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Dear XXXXXXX, " A splendid era of black seems to have preceeded all the later races! There must once have been a tremendous Negro expansion, since the original masters of all lands between Iberia and the Cape of Good Hope and East India were primitive and probably dwarfed black men. We have long had proof that a primitive Negroid race of pigmies once lived around the Mediterranean. Blacks were the first to plow the mud of the Nile, they were the dark-skinned curly-haired Cushites. Blacks were masters of Sumeria and Babylonia before it became the country of the four tongues."p44-5 Eugen Georg was a freemason and Masonic lore and Druidism is full of such references. I wonder what Hitler would have made of this book as he sat in Germany building his Nazi organisation. No wonder why he persecuted the Masons after he came to power.
_________________________________________ You have written: on 28/7/05 11:50 PM, Fari Supiya at goredema_99@yahoo.com wrote: I never said that Afroasiatic speakers are only black. If you were quoting me that would be clear. The origins of the family are in Africa. Did your source tell you were the phylum originated? Probably not because most Egyptological books steer clear of that. I wonder why? The largest family is Semitic because of the Arab expansion in the 7th century which resulted in Arabic being adopted all over North Africa. Of the 6 branches however 5 are spoken only in Africa, 4 in sub-saharan Africa. A different emphasis from your source. In the cited book of Loprieno [A. Loprieno, Ancient Egyptian A linguistic Introduction , Cambridge UP 1995] is an interdisciplinary book on the development of the Ancient Egyptian language for the use of linguists and Egyptologists, emphasizing diachronic and typological investigations. He discusses the development of the language from the Old Egyptian. According to Loprieno "Ancient Egyptian shows the closest relation to Beja (Cushitic), Semitic and Berber, more distant ones to the rest of Cushitic an Chadic." [p. 5] So, Beja shows the closest etymological and typological ties with Ancient Egyptian and it is spoken in coastal Sudan. [p. 4. Regarding to the Beja-Ancient Egyptian lexical connections, Loprieno refers to A. Zaborski, "Der Wortschatz der Bedscha-Sprache. Eine vergleichende Analyse," in ZDMG Supplement VII (Stuttgart: Franz Steiner Verlag, 1989), 573-91.] As a exclusively sub-Saharan language branch, we can take in account only the 140 Chadic languages and dialects spoken about thirty million people around the Lake Chad (Nigeria, Cameroon, Chad and Niger). This branch of the Afroasiatic phylum is not close relative to AE. With the exception of Beja, the Cushitic languages (spoken by at least fifteen million people in eastern Africa (northeast Sudan, Ethiopia, Djibuti, Somalia, Kenya, northern Tanzania) and the Omoitic languages (spoken by approximately one million speakers along both shores of the Omo River and north of Lake Turkana in southwest Ethiopia) are not so close to the AE as Beja, the Semitic (150 million speaker in western Asia, Ethiopia, Sudan, North Africa) and Berber (5 million speaker in North Africa) languages, if Loprieno is right. I incline to conclude from this fact, that the phylum can be originated from the bordering regions of Asia and Africa around the Red Sea. Best regards, The Goredema
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